{"id":3140831,"date":"2026-10-14T11:21:17","date_gmt":"2026-10-14T15:21:17","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.friendsjournal.org\/kusawazisha-imani-na-utendaji-mazungumzo-ya-kiquaker-na-jack-tripp\/"},"modified":"2026-10-14T17:16:46","modified_gmt":"2026-10-14T21:16:46","slug":"kusawazisha-imani-na-utendaji-mazungumzo-ya-kiquaker-na-jack-tripp","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.friendsjournal.org\/sw\/kusawazisha-imani-na-utendaji-mazungumzo-ya-kiquaker-na-jack-tripp\/","title":{"rendered":"Kusawazisha Imani na Utendaji: Mazungumzo ya Kiquaker na Jack Tripp"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Mazungumzo na Jack Tripp, mwandishi wa kitabu <a href=\"https:\/\/www.friendsjournal.org\/sw\/kuelekea-ualimu-wa-kiquaker\/\">Toward a Quaker Pedagogy<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Balancing Belief and Practice\" width=\"500\" height=\"281\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/oyBfMmsO_aM?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Tunazungumziaje kuhusu Uquaker? Je, tunaanza na imani zetu au utendaji wetu? Mhariri mkuu Martin Kelley anazungumza na mwalimu wa Kiquaker Jack Tripp kuhusu maana ya kuwa Mquaker, jinsi utendaji wa Kiquaker unavyofundishwa na kupitiwa, na jinsi ya kuwatambulisha wageni kwenye ibada na jamii ya Kiquaker.  <\/p>\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Wasifu<\/h3>\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Jack Tripp alikulia akihudhuria Mkutano wa Allens Neck huko South Dartmouth, Mass., na Shule ya Moses Brown, shule ya Marafiki huko Providence, R.I., ambako alirudi kufundisha Kiingereza baada ya masomo ya uzamili.<\/p>\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Nakala<\/h3>\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Martin Kelley (00:01.404)<br\/>Habari, mimi ni Martin Kelley, na huu ni Quaker Talk, podikasti ya mara kwa mara ya Friends Journal ambapo tunazungumza na waandishi. Na leo tutazungumzia maana ya kuwa Mquaker na jinsi tunavyoelezea maana ya kuwa Mquaker. Sijui kama nanyi mnapata hali hii, lakini ninapokuwa hadharani na mtu akauliza, &#8221;Kwa hiyo, Waquaker wanaamini nini?&#8221; Unajua, kuna wakati ule unaosimama tu na kuanza kukadiria, je, wanakuwa na adabu tu? Wanataka tu jibu la sekunde ishirini ili waendelee na siku yao?    <\/p>\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Je, wanatafuta historia ya miaka mia tatu na mapambano na kadhalika? Ni nini kilichotokea kwa Waquaker? Na wanazungumzia Waquaker wote? Au wanazungumzia Waquaker wa eneo ambalo wanaweza kukutana nao? Inaweza kuwa changamoto kubwa kuelezea. Kwa hiyo leo niko hapa na Jack Tripp, ambaye anafundisha katika Shule ya Moses Brown na anapaswa kufundisha maana ya kuwa Mquaker. Habari, Jack, karibu.      <\/p>\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Jack Tripp (00:56.406)<br\/>Habari, nina furaha sana kuwa hapa.<\/p>\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Martin Kelley (00:58.871)<br\/>Na una hadithi nzuri sana hapa. Ulikuwa mwanafunzi katika Shule ya Moses Brown huko Providence, Rhode Island. Kisha ukaenda chuo kikuu na masomo ya uzamili na vyeti vya ualimu, nadhani, kisha ukarudi.  <\/p>\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Jack Tripp (01:13.078)<br\/>Ndiyo, na nina furaha sana kuwa nimerudi.<\/p>\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Martin Kelley (01:16.037)<br\/>Naam. Na ikoje kuwa upande mwingine wa meza sasa? <\/p>\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Jack Tripp (01:21.666)<br\/>Unajua, kulikuwa na mambo fulani yaliyonitatiza mwanzoni. Nakumbuka hasa kugundua jinsi walimu wanavyozungumza kuhusu wanafunzi, mara nyingi kwa sababu ya lazima, na kugundua, lo, walimu wangu wananizungumzia kiasi hiki. Na ndiyo. Jambo ambalo lilionekana zaidi wakati mwalimu aliyekuwa akiongea nawe kuhusu mwanafunzi alikuwa mwalimu wako wa kidato cha kwanza.   <\/p>\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Martin Kelley (01:44.836)<br\/>Nina hakika sasa una baadhi ya walimu wako wenyewe kama wafanyakazi wenzako.<\/p>\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Jack Tripp (01:47.757)<br\/>Ndiyo, ndiyo, ndiyo. Hasa, mkuu wa idara yangu alikuwa mwalimu wangu wa kidato cha kwanza na mmoja wa walimu wengine wa Kiingereza katika idara alikuwa mwalimu wangu wa kidato cha tatu. Na ilinifanya nishukuru kwamba nilikuwa nikiwaita kwa majina yao ya kwanza nilipokuwa mwanafunzi. Kwa hiyo hakukuwa na marekebisho upande huo, hata kama yalikuwepo katika masuala mengine. Ndiyo.    <\/p>\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Martin Kelley (02:07.3)<br\/>Sawa. Hilo ni jambo la kawaida kwa shule ya Marafiki, kutotumia, ile desturi ya zamani ya kutotumia vyeo vya heshima, nadhani. Kwa hiyo hamna Bwana au Bibi, mnatumia tu jina la kwanza. Sahihi.<\/p>\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Jack Tripp (02:16.866)<br\/>Ndiyo. Ndiyo. Tuna walimu wachache ambao huchagua kutumia Bwana au Bibi, lakini karibu walimu wetu wote katika shule ya juu, hasa, hutumia majina ya kwanza. Ndiyo.<\/p>\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Martin Kelley (02:27.425)<br\/>Na shule za Marafiki pia. Kwa wale wasiojua, labda wanafunzi wako wengi, idadi kubwa, si Waquaker. <\/p>\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Jack Tripp (02:33.932)<br\/>Ndiyo, hapana, nadhani katika jumla ya wanafunzi 750, tuna labda Waquaker kumi na saba. Ndiyo, kwa hiyo kwa kawaida inazunguka asilimia mbili ya shule ni Waquaker wakati wowote. <\/p>\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Martin Kelley (02:40.216)<br\/>Sawa.<\/p>\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Martin Kelley (02:47.0)<br\/>Hakika. Na basi unaelezeaje? Kwa sababu, namaanisha, hakuna aina fulani ya kuwabana watoto kichwani kuhusu vile Waquaker wanavyopaswa kuwa, kwamba wote wanapaswa kuwa Waquaker. Lakini kuna, mnafundisha Uquaker. Kuna labda Mkutano wa Ibada, mara nyingi upo, wakati fulani katika wiki. Kwa hiyo, unafanyaje hivi? Unaelezeaje Waquaker wanaamini nini kwa wasio Waquaker hawa wengi, asilimia 95 si Waquaker?      <\/p>\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">bila kuwaogopesha, bila kupunguza uzito wake. Je, changamoto ni ipi? <\/p>\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Jack Tripp (03:18.274)<br\/>Ndiyo. Ndiyo. Namaanisha, tuna Mkutano wa Ibada kila wiki. Na unajua, hasa miongoni mwa marafiki zangu waliohitimu na ambao si lazima wawe Waquaker, wanapotazama nyuma, wanaona Mkutano wa Ibada kama uzoefu wa msingi wa Uquaker kwao shuleni. Na katika madarasa yangu nagundua kwamba, unajua, ninapoanza na majadiliano kuhusu maadili au imani.    <\/p>\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Hilo mara nyingi hufunga mazungumzo. Ilhali ninapoanza na utendaji kama vile kuanzisha darasa kwa kimya, au kuwa na majadiliano yanayoongozwa na wanafunzi, ambapo wanatarajiwa kufikia hisia fulani ya pamoja, hilo linakuwa wazi zaidi kwa wanafunzi. Na linapatikana zaidi. Na wanaweza kulichukua bila lazima kujitambulisha kama Waquaker.   <\/p>\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Martin Kelley (03:54.781)<br\/>Jack Tripp (04:15.628)<br\/>Unajua, ni rahisi zaidi kwao kuchukua utendaji na kuuingiza katika maisha yao wenyewe. Na kama baadaye wakitaka kujitambulisha kama Waquaker au kuamua kinyume chake kwa uthabiti, unajua, hilo si jambo langu la kujali hata kidogo. Hasa tunapofikiria, unajua, historia ya Waquaker kama mapokeo yasiyolazimisha dini kwa wengine katika hali yake bora, ingawa bila shaka kulikuwa na historia tajiri ya kueneza dini miongoni mwa Waquaker. Ndiyo.   <\/p>\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Martin Kelley (04:16.596)<br\/>Ndiyo.<\/p>\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Martin Kelley (04:39.842)<br\/>Mm-hmm.<\/p>\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Martin Kelley (04:43.977)<br\/>Kweli. Ndiyo. Lakini mara nyingi, namaanisha, nadhani wahitimu wa shule za Marafiki ni mojawapo ya njia za kuingia kwa Waquaker. Nimekutana na watu wengi ambao, unajua, wako katika miaka ya ishirini, miaka ya thelathini, wanatafuta mapokeo ya kidini, na walienda shule ya Marafiki na nasema, ndiyo, unajua, huenda nililalamika kuhusu Mkutano ule wa Ibada shuleni wakati huo. Na tunafanya nini hapa? Je, ni kukaa tu, lakini     <\/p>\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Wanakitafuta na wanarudi kwa Marafiki. Kwa hiyo kuna watu wanaokuja kwa Marafiki kutokana na uzoefu wao katika shule ya Marafiki. <\/p>\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Jack Tripp (05:17.418)<br\/>Hakika, hakika. Na, unajua, marafiki zangu ambao sasa ni miaka kumi tangu kuhitimu na si Waquaker na hawajawa wakihudhuria Mkutano wa Ibada, wanaukosa sana. Na wanaukosa sana uzoefu wa kuwa katika jamii ya Kiquaker. Nadhani hasa kwa kuwa jamii hiyo ya Kiquaker haikuwa ikiweka mipaka migumu ya jinsi ya kuwa Mquaker, na iliwaachia wanafunzi kutafuta njia yao wenyewe kwa namna iliyokuwa huru na iliyowapa nguvu.    <\/p>\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Martin Kelley (05:49.109)<br\/>Kwa hiyo unafanyaje, aina gani ya mambo kama unajua mtu akikujia na kusema, unajua, Waquaker wanaamini nini au Waquaker wanafanya utendaji gani? Una ule mfano wa sekunde thelathini unaoweza kuelezea? Au una wakati ule unaojaribu kukadiria wanataka jibu la haraka au wanataka maelezo?   <\/p>\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Jack Tripp (06:06.19)<br\/>Hakika, mara zote. Mara zote. Na nimeanza kusema kitu kama, kwa kweli ni vigumu sana kusema Waquaker wanaamini nini. Na kwa kweli haiwezekani kusema Waquaker wote wanaamini nini. Kwa sababu Uquaker tangu kuanzishwa kwake ulijikita katika uzoefu wa utakatifu. Na hicho si kitu ambacho ninaweza kumweleza mtu mwingine.     <\/p>\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Katika utimilifu wake na utajiri wake. Na mtu akiuliza Waquaker wanaamini nini, bora ninaloweza kufanya ni kumkaribisha kwenye Mkutano wa Ibada. Na bora ninaloweza kufanya ni kumkaribisha kwenye jamii ya Kiquaker na kumwacha apate uzoefu huo mwenyewe. Na kumwacha apate tafsiri hiyo mwenyewe. Ndiyo.    <\/p>\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Martin Kelley (06:47.017)<br\/>vizuri sana. Na ulikulia pia kama Mquaker, si tu kama mwanafunzi. Je, bado unashiriki katika jamii hiyo? Sijui jiografia ya mahali ulipokulia na jinsi ilivyo karibu na shule na&#8230;   <\/p>\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Jack Tripp (07:08.384)<br\/>Ndiyo. Ndiyo, ninashiriki. Jamii niliyokulia iko umbali wa dakika arobaini na tano. Kwa hiyo kwa kweli, mara nyingi sifiki huko Jumapili. Lakini bado ni mahali pa pekee kwangu. Na ni mahali ninachopenda kutembelea na kwenda. Lakini wakati wa mwaka wa shule, uquaker wangu mwingi nahisi kwamba naufanyia shuleni. Na uzoefu wa kukaa chini kwa Mkutano wa Ibada na wanafunzi mia nne.      <\/p>\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Wiki iliyopita tulikuwa na Mkutano wa Ibada wa shule nzima na hiyo ilikuwa watu elfu moja. Ni jambo, ndiyo, hapana, kubwa zaidi kuliko Mkutano wowote, sivyo? Mkutano wowote, Mkutano wowote tangu, ndiyo, kwa karne kadhaa. Nadhani sisi ndio Mkutano mkubwa zaidi wa Ibada wa kila wiki huko New England. Na huenda hata Amerika Kaskazini. Na hiyo ni nafasi tajiri sana kweli.     <\/p>\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Martin Kelley (07:43.002)<br\/>Kubwa zaidi kuliko Mkutano wangu. Ndiyo. <\/p>\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Martin Kelley (07:58.055)<br\/>Mm-hmm. Pengine ndivyo ilivyo, ndiyo. <\/p>\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Jack Tripp (08:08.65)<br\/>Na hivyo ndivyo, ndiyo, hapo ndipo napata Uquaker wangu. Na kwa kweli mara tu baada ya mazungumzo haya, nitaenda kwenye Mkutano wa Ibada. Ndiyo. Ndiyo.   <\/p>\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Martin Kelley (08:16.407)<br\/>Vizuri sana. Ndiyo, tulikuwa na programu hii ya uandishi. Samahani, hatuna tena, lakini kwa wanafunzi wa shule za Kiquaker kuandika kuhusu mada mbalimbali na tungekuwa na kichocheo. Na katika fomu ya kujiunga, kungekuwa na swali kuhusu kama una, unajua, uhusiano wowote na Uquaker. Wengi hawakuwa nao, na hilo lilikuwa sawa. Lakini kama unao, Mkutano wako ni upi? Na baadhi yao wangeandika Mkutano wa Ibada wa shule.      <\/p>\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Kulikuwa, walijitambulisha Uquaker wao kama Waquaker na ulikuwa Mkutano wa Ibada wa shule. Na unajua, mwanzoni nilifikiri, hilo si sahihi, lakini kisha nikafikiri, Naam, ndiyo, namaanisha, kama wanafanya ibada hii na watu elfu moja kila wiki na ni sehemu muhimu ya uelewa wao wa kiroho, basi ndiyo, hilo ni Uquaker. <\/p>\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Jack Tripp (09:04.598)<br\/>Ndiyo, ndiyo. Na sisi ni shule kutoka chekechea hadi kidato cha kumi na mbili. Kwa hiyo mwanafunzi akianza chekechea na kuendelea hadi shule yetu ya juu, atakuwa amehudhuria Mikutano mingi ya Ibada, hata kama hakukulia katika Mkutano. Kwa namna fulani alikulia. Alikulia katika Mkutano wa shule. Ndiyo.     <\/p>\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Martin Kelley (09:21.485)<br\/>Ndiyo. Vizuri, hilo ni jambo zuri. Nadhani mojawapo ya mambo tuliyonayo siku hizi ni kwamba kuna njia nyingi tofauti za kuwa Mquaker. Kama miaka hamsini iliyopita, ilikuwa, unajua, ilibidi uende Mkutano mahususi wa kila mwezi na uhudhurie na kushiriki. Lakini sasa unaona aina zote za, unajua, kuna ibada ya mtandaoni sasa, kuna mabaraza yote ya majadiliano ambapo watu wanajadili na kubishana kuhusu maana ya kuwa Mquaker. Kama kuna njia nyingi tofauti. Na nadhani sehemu ya&#8230;      <\/p>\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">&#8230;mawazo yetu ya sasa, changamoto yetu ni kutambua, basi, tunajumuishaje haya yote? Unajua, utambulisho huo wa Kiquaker ni upi kama unaweza kuwa aina zote za vitu na watu wanajitambulisha kama Waquaker, hata unajua, kama hawako sehemu ya miundo yetu ya zamani ya kitaasisi. <\/p>\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Jack Tripp (10:03.33)<br\/>Ndiyo. Ndiyo. Na njia hizo nyingi tofauti zinatoa njia nyingi zaidi zinazofikika za kupata uzoefu huo, sivyo? Mradi watu wanakuja mahali na kukaa na watu wengine. Namaanisha, nadhani hilo ndilo kanuni ya msingi inayounganisha, unajua, kukaa kimya pamoja na wenzao. Na mara nyingi nagundua, unajua, nitakuwa na marafiki wanaopendezwa na Uquaker.     <\/p>\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Na kwenda kwenye Mkutano wa Kiquaker na, unajua, pengine wakaupenda uzoefu. Lakini katika Mkutano wa Kiquaker hatuzungumzii kuhusu tunachofanya au, unajua, maana ya kukaa katika kimya kwa namna yoyote iliyopangwa. Na nimekwenda kwenye mikutano ambapo kwa kweli hakuna maelezo yoyote kabla ya wakati. Unajua, watu wanatarajiwa kuja na kujua tu wanachopaswa kufanya, jambo ambalo sisi tuliohudhuria Mkutano kwa muda mrefu tunajua, lakini kama&#8230;    <\/p>\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Martin Kelley (10:41.144)<br\/>Wakati gani?<\/p>\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Martin Kelley (10:50.531)<br\/>Ndiyo.<\/p>\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Jack Tripp (10:58.37)<br\/>Unataka kupata uzoefu wa jamii ya Kiquaker na unataka kujitokeza kama mgeni kwenye Mkutano wa Ibada. Kuingia katika chumba ambapo kila mtu tayari amekaa kimya ni, nadhani, uzoefu wa kutisha. Na hilo ni la kibinadamu sana na la kawaida sana. Na napenda wazo la, unajua, kuwa na mazungumzo zaidi kuhusu jinsi tunavyojifungua kwa watu wasio Waquaker, na jinsi tunavyowasiliana sisi ni akina nani na tunafanya nini.   <\/p>\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Martin Kelley (11:09.037)<br\/>Ndiyo.<\/p>\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Jack Tripp (11:28.256)<br\/>Hasa sehemu hiyo ya tunafanya nini, kwa watu ambao si marafiki tayari na huenda hawana uzoefu wowote katika Mkutano wa Ibada.<\/p>\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Martin Kelley (11:35.421)<br\/>Na kama mwalimu wa Kiquaker, nashangaa ni ushauri gani ungeweza kuwapa Mikutano. Namaanisha, nafikiria Mkutano wangu mwenyewe, tutakuwa na siku ya wazi wikendi hii ijayo. Tunaalika jamii kuja na pengine watakuwa watu kumi, pengine watakuwa wengi zaidi, tunatumaini, unajua, watu thelathini, arobaini wanaweza kuja. Na&#8230;   <\/p>\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">&#8230;kuwatambulisha kwa sisi ni akina nani na tutakuwa na kiasi fulani cha ibada fupi wakati huo na baadhi ya watu wakizungumza kuhusu hilo. Lakini je, Mikutano inawezaje kufanya hilo kuwa rahisi zaidi kwa wageni kuwapa maelezo? Namaanisha, je, kunapaswa kuwa na aina fulani ya mpango mwanzoni ambapo tunaelezea maana ya kuabudu? Je, kunapaswa kuwa na programu zaidi baadaye? Kutoka tu kwenye mtazamo wa kielimu, njia gani nzuri ya kuwavuta watu na si tu&#8230;    <\/p>\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">&#8230;Kuwatupa kwenye kina kirefu moja kwa moja.<\/p>\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Jack Tripp (12:24.256)<br\/>Ndiyo, nadhani mambo ninayoyapenda zaidi niliyoyapata kutoka kwa marafiki ninaowafahamu ni pale wanapoeleza wanachofanya wakati wa Mkutano wa Ibada. Unajua, baadhi ya watu wanasema wanatafakari, baadhi wanazingatia kitu fulani. Nilikuwa na mwalimu wa kidato cha pili aliyeeleza jinsi alivyokuwa na mtu mdogo aliyekuja kichwani mwake na kufagia mawazo yote.  <\/p>\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Kisha mawazo yakarudi, na yale yaliyorudi kwa kweli yalikuwa ujumbe au yalikuwa miongozo ya ndani, au yalikuwa mambo yaliyokuwa na umuhimu. Na ninamfikiria mtu huyo mdogo mara nyingi sana katika Mkutano wa Ibada. Ndiyo. Yeye ni mzee mdogo, hana madhara. Yeye, ndiyo. Anafagia kwa bidii sana. Lakini nadhani kuzungumza kabla ya wakati kuhusu kinachoendelea kwa kila mmoja wetu.      <\/p>\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Martin Kelley (13:04.35)<br\/>mfano mzuri sana. Wa kutisha kidogo, lakini wa kuvutia, ndiyo. <\/p>\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Sawa.<\/p>\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Jack Tripp (13:20.448)<br\/>Katika Ibada yenye Maana, unajua, watu binafsi kama kitengo cha Uquaker kwa namna fulani. Na jinsi tunavyopitia miondoko yetu au nuru yetu au sauti yetu ya ndani. Na kisha kuzungumza kuhusu uzoefu baadaye na kuwapa wageni fursa ya kutafakari juu ya uzoefu huo. Nilikuwa na mazungumzo ya kuvutia mara moja na mtu katika chuo nilichoenda cha theolojia.   <\/p>\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Na nilifanya shahada ya uzamili katika masomo ya dini. Na nilizungumza na mtu mara moja aliyekuwa akiendesha kikundi cha kutafakari cha Kibuddha. Na alisema, Hamfanyi, alishangaa sana kwamba hatutafakari mwishoni mwa Mkutano kilichotutokea. Kwa sababu alifikiri, ndiyo, hasa katika mafunzo ya kutafakari, kwa watu wengi inaweza kuwa uzoefu mkali sana.   <\/p>\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Martin Kelley (14:00.011)<br\/>Mm-hmm<\/p>\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Martin Kelley (14:11.531)<br\/>Hiyo ni desturi ya kawaida kwao, ndiyo.<\/p>\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">huh.<\/p>\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Jack Tripp (14:19.926)<br\/>kukaa kimya kwa dakika arobaini na tano au saa moja, hata nusu saa. Na kwa hiyo sehemu ya utaratibu wa mafunzo ya kutafakari ilikuwa kuhakikisha kuna nafasi baadaye ya kupumzisha, kutoka katika nafasi hiyo, au kufikiria jinsi unavyoingiza ulichokipitia katika nafasi ya kutafakari katika maisha yako ya kuzungumza, kuamka, yenye kelele. <\/p>\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Martin Kelley (14:48.65)<br\/>Ndiyo. Hiyo inasikika vizuri sana. Najaribu kufikiria ningeingizaje hilo katika ibada. Unajua, tuna aina hizi za desturi, unajua, tuna ile ya kuvunja ibada kwa kushikana mikono na kusalimiana, na baadhi ya mikutano wana vipindi virefu vya matangazo na saa ya kahawa baadaye inaweza kuwa na msaada. Kwa hiyo namaanisha tuna desturi hizi ambazo hatuzifikirii&#8230;    <\/p>\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Jack Tripp (15:08.684)<br\/>Na saa za kahawa, sivyo? 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